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Post by Barbed_Wire_Bored on Feb 19, 2012 17:26:19 GMT -5
Yeah... see the thing is, that's sadly not how anyone else is going to see it. Unfortunatly, it does also at least LOOK that way.
If company A has major trouble with having a wrestler on board, it wouldn't probably be seen as 'usual' to have company A promote with company B (a new company that has sprung out of seemingly no-where), who happen to be booking that same wrestler. So what you effectively have is company A, with the ability to have wrestlers on the same card from company B, under the excuse that they work for company B, not A.
I'm not saying it's cover up or a conspiracy, or whatever other crap people want to believe, but as long as you realise, this will be the thought of the majority of people who hear about this.
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Post by ToGo on Feb 23, 2012 23:58:16 GMT -5
now IWA:MS is actually booking him to wrestle. IWA-MS has not booked Ian Rotten to wrestle. I think the show you are referring to is the March 2nd debut of IWA Mid-West in Bellevue IL. IWA Midwest in conjunction with IWA MidSouth present's Have a Rotten Day
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Post by Barbed_Wire_Bored on Feb 24, 2012 3:14:54 GMT -5
O.K, fine, no one will see it the way I said they would obviously see it, under any circumstances, I was obviously wrong.
You can say 'well, they are wrong' all you like, but when it comes to indie wrestling, it's obvious public opinion DOES matter, every fan counts. As with all things though, time will tell.
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Post by tboasad on Feb 24, 2012 14:59:30 GMT -5
At any rate, it should be interesting to see how this all plays out. Having IWA-MS involved in any small way with Ian is going to get negative talk going no matter what. Personally, I enjoy what Ian brings to a card. Interesting to see how fans will react to this
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Post by Barbed_Wire_Bored on Feb 24, 2012 17:23:44 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, I am an IWA fan, and I do like Ians' matches (along with a lot of other wrestlers. But to just insist that this wasn't at some point in time, a way to get Ian to essentially working for IWA:MS again (whether it is a co-promotion or whatever other way could be used to explain it, without certain sadly ex-wrestlers fathers' trying to close the shows down) is kidding themselves. IWA:MS is on an event, and Ian is in the main event, simple as that. I'm not a 'kool aid drinker', I am just a wrestling fan. IWA:MS is infamous, mainly because of Ian (whether for good or bad reasons) and having him on the event will indeed get attention (again, good and bad).
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Post by scar on Feb 26, 2012 23:55:45 GMT -5
Read the post Todd.
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Post by kiddextreme on Feb 27, 2012 14:46:16 GMT -5
Why are people so interested if Ian Rotten is in any way involved in anything? I don't get it...the most infamous promoter in the biz also happens to run the biggest wrestling company in the world-Vince McMahon. Vince has had someone literally die on one of his shows-in a stunt that had nothing to do with the match, Rotten has never had that happen. Rotten started from scratch, he didn't buy it from his father and bring in guys someone else made to run everyone else out of business. (Hulkamania was actually started in the AWA before Hogan pinned Bockwinkle for the belt which was "overturned" a few days later.) Bottom line in my own opinion is this-I don't care WHO books the shows. I don't care WHERE the shows are held-an old school or the parking lot of an bowling alley. All I care about is seeing GOOD professional wrestling-all styles of it. That is all.
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Post by localyocal on Feb 27, 2012 22:56:57 GMT -5
yeah for kiddextreme... you pay and wait to see wrestling...not the"said favorite wrestler "wrestling show ...support what you love...WRESTLING... If you cant stand a wrstler pay your money and then speak your piece in person or dont go at all..your choice but dont hate and claim to be a wrestling fan,choosing to stay away from great talent busting there ass because of...um....well...not sure why youd let 1 man run/ruin your good time??im just sayin...
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Post by undertow on Apr 5, 2012 20:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by Boogie Down on Apr 9, 2012 6:24:48 GMT -5
Why are people so interested if Ian Rotten is in any way involved in anything? I don't get it...the most infamous promoter in the biz also happens to run the biggest wrestling company in the world-Vince McMahon. Vince has had someone literally die on one of his shows-in a stunt that had nothing to do with the match, Rotten has never had that happen. Rotten started from scratch, he didn't buy it from his father and bring in guys someone else made to run everyone else out of business. (Hulkamania was actually started in the AWA before Hogan pinned Bockwinkle for the belt which was "overturned" a few days later.) Bottom line in my own opinion is this-I don't care WHO books the shows. I don't care WHERE the shows are held-an old school or the parking lot of an bowling alley. All I care about is seeing GOOD professional wrestling-all styles of it. That is all. I for one care if Ian Rotten is involved because i am one of the many fans that he has screwed out of money in some way. As somebody who supports Indy wrestling with my hard earned cash instead of going the download route, i can tell you, i will not spend a cent on a dvd for a company that he has anything to do with.
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Post by Barbed_Wire_Bored on Apr 9, 2012 11:19:40 GMT -5
This is why it matters, and this is why it was kind of.... well, seriously dumb to try and screw fans by making Ian the booker and such, but more so trying to cover it up. The fact that you had to keep it a secret to begin with, doesn't that tell you something? It's something that apparently people shouldn't care about, but they clearly do, so yeah, it is important to some people. I don't believe in ALL the accusations aimed at Ian (for whatever my opinion is even worth, as one single fan), but enough has stuck to make him an obvious detriment to any company he seems to be a part of nowadays.
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Post by Boogie Down on Apr 9, 2012 12:50:54 GMT -5
This is why it matters, and this is why it was kind of.... well, seriously dumb to try and screw fans by making Ian the booker and such, but more so trying to cover it up. The fact that you had to keep it a secret to begin with, doesn't that tell you something? It's something that apparently people shouldn't care about, but they clearly do, so yeah, it is important to some people. I don't believe in ALL the accusations aimed at Ian (for whatever my opinion is even worth, as one single fan), but enough has stuck to make him an obvious detriment to any company he seems to be a part of nowadays. Im only one fan, but i spent alot on dvd's and even though im not local, would fly or drive to the big shows to support the company. Until i got screwed over by Ian and Patti (which i still have the messages exchanged back and forth trying to get my money back saved in my mailbox). I know that im not the only fan who spent money but will no longer (i know of a few personally) with Ian involved. And im not talking about a couple of dvd's. I have a huge library of IWA-MS that i paid for.
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Post by undertow on Apr 14, 2012 22:05:14 GMT -5
I don't care if Ian is working for IWA. The thing is there are doing shows for the fans. I know some of you guys got screwed by Ian. I have bought over 100 IWA MS DVD's over the years from SMV. I have never bought any thing from Ian. I would of like to buyed a IWA MS t-shirts. But I have read on here that Ian owned money to people so I never did. So I can understard why some of you would not buy any from Ian again. But I'm here to see IWA MS not Ian. I like to see the new guys put on some new show. And I hope there will do it very soon.
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